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   Attercliffe posted on Health & Diet  Please forgive haste, never enough time in the day. . . .

Just got back from picking up prescriptions at Walgreen's and noticed they had N95 masks and nitrile gloves on sale. The pharm asst said their branch had them on sale but didn't know about others. She raised her eyebrows and said, "Ebola?" I said, "Yeah--you?" "Got mine on Wednesday," she smiled.

Good advice on supplies, especially toilet paper. A Bosnian survivor said the most wanted item during the war was that product. Walmart sels large cases of them online. Oh, before I forget. Do NOT let ANYbody know you are stashing supplies. Many of you are used to be saying this over at the main forum: when rationing began in WWII, anyone found with a stash--"hoarding"--found their goods confiscated and they were fined. Those who weren't prudent enough to stash were jealous of those who did. And that included relatives. Time like that, you can't trust anyone.

Stash food: Mountain House is the best, according to all kinds of polls and reviews. Have about a 30- or 35-year shelf life if kept at room temp. Used to use, best prices, super selection. But they got a marketing department recently . . . . Now that they're sending out tempting ads with luscious descriptions on the food, prices have increased. So I wait until has a real sale on #10 cans, when the prices go below those of BP. Karst still has free shipping on orders over $30 so that saves up to $12.95 over ordering from BP. Karst also sells the Mountain House 2-people, 3-days bucket of foil package foods, see

Handy to have around, but of course not as economical as #10 cans. If you or a friend has access to Sam's or Costco, then pick up those six packs of chicken or tuna or whatever. You can order similar items online at Walmart too. I just ordered light tuna and Valley Fresh organic chicken. Walmart will ship groceries for free, I think the line is $40 or something like that.

Stash batteries and chargers! You can get solar chargers these days. Less risk of fire, specially if you have cats or small children.

Ack, gotta go. Will come back later.
October 12 at 17:46 EST .

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   Wrightwinger  I would suggest canning chicken yourself. Much cheaper than the little cans...
October 13 at 17:56 EST .

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   Balogreene  I also can (not pressure yet ), and watch what we use. We live 3 in a small townhouse, but do keep some stocks. It's good to have things around.
Know what you use in a year. Buy those things on sale, yes, you will have a stock, but you will also save money. Can (jar ) if you can, keep what you can around. For us, September/October is bad. Personal Property tax, Insurance, and normal car maintenance all due in two-weeks. Those two-weeks we break into the pantry and the freezer. Then, we restock. We may not ear well, but we have lots of food stored up. I'm trying to keep it more balanced.
October 13 at 18:15 EST .

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   Attercliffe  Canning is an excellent idea, Wrightwinger; unfortunately, I can't stand for long periods of time and am a little unbalanced (mentally and physically, lol ). Working around a vat of boiling water is not a good idea for me. But I did think about using my dehydrater and vacuum packing the results. Has anyone had good results with that method? How long would the dried version last? I'm looking at a one- to two-year plan for items that may be hard to come by.

Balogreene, I've noticed that emergency food, like Mountain House, is often high in calories (starch ). It's one reason I stopped by Home Depot yesterday and picked up lettuce and kale plants. The kale I bought last season still has a few surviving plants in the Earth Box. (If you use planters, be sure and hide them from neighbors--Mine are on wheeled stands and I can wheel them into the garage at night.

While I didn't actually recycle tin foil milk bottle covers until after the war, I did do it. All of our metal had gone into tanks and planes and that sort of thing. And our factories had gone to smithereens, thanks to the bombings. Most of what I know about surviving WWII came from my parents; to me it was normal life, I didn't know anything else. Out of food? We put cubes of bread in a bowl and poured hot tea over. Ack? We called it "pobs." No milk? We had to drink our tea without it and it was called "soldier's tea." You didn't complain, knowing the troops were even more deprived than we were.

But that was another life--today is a bit different. I've just placed an order at Walmart's online site. Free shipping, by the way, except for the Tyvek suits which come from one of their associate companies (Wayfair ). The suits (with boots and hood ) were around $10 each. Don't need too many of those! If we don't use them, they'll be great when touching up paint around the house. I also ordered some old-fashioned Lysol disinfectant concentrate. (Bleach strength begins to deteriorate after six months whether or not the jug has been opened. ) It was around $3.50/bottle for enough to make 9 gallons of solution. A couple of pairs of safety glasses rounded things out--around $8. Masks and gloves are already stored.

After reading Ldot articles today, I reasoned that the news tonight will be full of the details and people will be reaching for their keyboards after dinner. Decided I should get stuff ordered now in case we start seeing a run on supplies. After seeing how fast shelves are cleared when a hurricane is due around here, I can just imagine what it would be like if a hurricane threatened the whole country. It's not as if the stuff I've ordered won't get used at some point and it won't break the bank. Yet.

Oh--home delivery. It's scheduled for about 7 days hence but the
October 14 at 16:05 EST .

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   Attercliffe  Cont'd. . .

but the WM orders often arrive earlier than their initial ETA. You can do ship-to-store but I think many of us might be at the point where we don't really want to go to a crowded store. I've already decided that if we need items we'll be going to the 24-hour WM shortly after dawn. . . .

Which reminds me, I forgot to order shelf-stable milk. I have powdered but would like to use "real" milk as long as possible. That's okay, I'm sure there are a few more things I forgot.

Will check back later and hope someone can educate me about dehydrating chicken.
October 14 at 16:07 EST .

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   BirdsNest  There is a lot of information on this site. Seems Chef Glen prefers to dehydrate previously canned chicken. Further down in the article a poster shares his tips for dehydrating chicken that you cook yourself. Hope this helps you.
October 15 at 14:52 EST .

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   Attercliffe  Thank you, BirdsNest, this is exactly what I need to know. Not much point in dehydrating canned chicken (I bought some canned, diced, freeze-dried chicken from when they had it on sale earlier this year ). I think I'll check out the turkey breasts available this weekend. I'm thinking a couple of turkey breasts might work fairly well. It seems pre-steaming is the key to a good end result and I would never have thought of that.

I hope the Ebola crisis fizzles out quickly, of course (who doesn't? ), but if it goes on for a while I'll be glad I dried some food, chewy or not.

Thanks again, BN.
October 16 at 00:16 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  For years I've ordered about a third of our cat food and supplements (and sometimes some of the human products ) from a company called Wysong at The vet who owns the company valiantly fought off a nasty lawsuit from Nestle, which manufactures a lot of catfood and sued Dr. W for using his own unpatented important creation of a method to coat kibble with enticing delicious and healthy stuff for pets. But that's not why I wanted to introduce you to Dr. Wysong. This is:

January 8, 2014

Dr. Wysong

Here is how Obamacare could greatly improve US health. But not for the reasons it was created or you may think.

Ezekiel Emanuel's "The Complete Lives System," outlined in medical journals, is the intellectual underpinning for Obamacare (the Affordable Care Act ).

Obamacare was to remedy America's (ostensible ) free-market healthcare system and get more medical access for those without adequate insurance. However, US healthcare has not really been laissez faire since employers attracted employees with insurance after WWII, and government intervened with socialized programs. The more consumers were given free and unlimited access, and the more doctors could charge a third party (thus not alienating them from their patient for high charges ), the more costs have skyrocketed.

The federal government, sans Obamacare, already provides health care for more than three-quarters of those over 65, and about a third of all Americans depend upon the government for their health care. Judging from the sad state of American health, help does not breed health. It breeds dependence and weakness, and with that the loss of health.

As long ago as 1922, the Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises, in his book Socialism, wrote about a German medical system controlled by government that created economic chaos. Mises wrote that state-run medical systems are comparable to those run by the army or by prisons, which foster disease and death, not health.

By now you are aware of the inaccuracy of the mantra: "If you like your coverage, you can keep it." It's what you are not aware of that needs your attention if you are planning on state run medicine saving you.

The Act will effectively force all doctors to betray their Hippocratic Oath and compromise your access to medical attention based upon your age and other factors. The 2500- year- old Hippocratic Oath, or a version of it, that all doctors take gives preeminence to the individual patient. The original, from the Greek, says:

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

I will apply measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment;

I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect.

Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will
January 10 at 11:43 EST .

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   Escaped commieny  signed up for the newsletter, I trust the Life Extension Foundation and get most vitamins/minerals from Puritan Pride. Very good customer service from both, have Jan in electronic email, hard copy of Feb. on the battle against high blood sugar and high glucose , as soon as I get the electronic version will send it on to the Health wall
January 10 at 17:21 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  If you're looking to give your mind a break from current events for a little while, this is a good way to do it:

Heart-warming moment gentle labrador Himalaya coaxed reluctant Down’s Syndrome boy who shuns human contact to play with him,
October 1 at 12:57 EST .

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   Gram77  What a beautiful child and God bless the dog.
October 1 at 15:44 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  
Brainwashing Children

Reading a post from someone on a neighborhood bulletin board in the Duke U area, I saw this about a summer camp. (I don't think the instructor is a Lucianne relative! ):

Empathetic Global Citizenship -- Learning from the daily news

Description of the summer camp program:

Steve (see bio below ) and 'campers' will start each morning by spending about 45 minutes reading news articles from around the world from a variety of online sources (such as New York Times, Wall Street Journal, NPR, BBC ). Each student will keep a record of the articles he/she reads by making place marks using Google Earth. Students will learn on day one how to make Google Earth place marks.

After the morning reading, we will put our computers away and talk together as a group. Each student will share the most interesting article he/she read. This gives each student practice with both public speaking and active listening. Once everyone has described his/her favorite article, we will vote on which article to discuss in more depth.

When we have finished our discussion, each student will take 20-30 minutes to write about what he/she learned during the morning session.

On the last days of the camp (Thursday and Friday ), each camper will work to create a 2-3 minute video that describes the news article from the week that the camper found most interesting and brings that article to life using Google Earth.

By the end of the camp, each student will have several written reflections, as well as a video that shows how the camper engaged with an event in the world. The goal of the camp is to develop the habit of reading and thinking about news from around the world. We will be practicing reading, writing, listening and speaking on a regular basis.

About the instructor:

Steve Goldberg is the Founder and Principal of Triangle Learning Community middle school, located in Durham, NC.

After teaching middle and high school for more than a dozen years, Mr. Goldberg decided that our schools need to change. Students are capable and need to take more ownership of their learning - given responsibility and support, students can do amazing things. To hear and read what some of his former students have said about his teaching, please visit the testimonials page of the website for Triangle Learning Community:

After teaching high school for six years, Mr. Goldberg earned a law degree at Georgetown Law School to study the question of who owns information in a digital age. Mr. Goldberg graduated from Duke and then returned to Duke as a graduate student to earn a Master of Arts in Teaching degree. Most recently, he taught world history for four years (2007-11 ) at Cary Academy. He also taught the entire social studies curriculum at Camelot Academy in Durham (grades 6-12 ). Before that, he served as Lead Technology Teacher at The Potomac School, a prestigious K-12 school just outside of Washington, DC.

This is what I meant when I first came to the US in
June 12 at 14:51 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  In a comment to a post at the Main Page, I wrote:

The Telegraph shows that a piece entitled "Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' Speech," a 2007 article, is today's "Most Viewed" in its op-eds section.

It can be found at target=_Blank>

That something written forty-five years ago, and reproduced by the T in 2005, should be the T's "Most Viewed" today speaks volumes--that so many people should remember it and search for it in the T's archives. I haven't read the speech for some time but each time I do the words convey even more than the time before.

Most of you probably know that Enoch Powell was destroyed by the reaction to his speech--and yet he was honest, forthright and, most important, accurate. The words are a bit old-fashioned but none the worse for that. In fact, they add a strength and seriousness that today's buzzwords would minimize.

Please take some time out of your day and read the speech.

Please note: Powell refers to one of his constituents who speaks of his children having gone to "grammar school." As used in the article the term refers to a mainly scholarship school where the top ten percent of scorers in a special exam are awarded a place in a sort of college prep school. It used to be the way for the working classes to move up and go straight to a white-collar job or higher education, although things have changed somewhat since then, thanks to the Labour party. Ironic, because one of our school's students went on to become Prime Minister.
May 24 at 08:33 EST .

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May 24 at 10:58 EST .

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   Fireball27  This article sounds just like what happened in my old neighborhood. Oakland, California middle 1960's. The part about the old widow being the only white left in her neighborhood is exactly what happened to a once beautiful city. Everyone who could move out did, only those elderly with paid off homes stayed. Every week you would hear of an old couple being beaten and robbed in their own home. Now my old neighborhood is referred to as "the killing zone". We went to the bay area to visit family and my wife would not let me even drive by my old house. People can call me a racist, I'm not, it is just that the destruction of my old hometown was caused by a certain minority. It doesn't matter what minority, or if it was a minority at all, the destruction was and is real. Oakland was beautiful in the 50's and early 60's. Look at it now. Liberals have run the government in the county and city, and certainly turned it into a big mess.
May 24 at 11:35 EST .

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   Hollyhock  Fireball, the very same thing happened to nice cities and towns in southern Cal in the early 60's too. I grew up in Santa Ana. My Dad was stubborn and didn't want to leave the home he bought and payed off. Enoch Powell was a prophetic voice that was ignored.
May 24 at 17:35 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  I missed the following piece when it was in the window for posting approval (may 10, 2013 ), so I'm putting it here.

Ladies and gentleman, welcome to Obamastan

by Melanie Phillips

Fort Hood, Benghazi, the Boston bombings, Iran/Syria, Israel. The pattern is unmistakeable; the danger to America is exponentially increasing; the scandal is deepening into something nearer to a national crisis.

The Obama administration is playing down the Islamist threat to the US and the free world, empowering Islamists at home and abroad, endangering America and betraying its allies -- and covering up its egregious failure to protect the homeland as a result of all the above, while instead blaming America for its own victimisation.

More at^editors_choi
May 23 at 17:21 EST .

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   Escaped commieny  in a nut shell, FTA:
‘“Every troubling Middle East-Southwest Asia country — Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and now maybe Syria — where the Obama administration made a significant policy push has gone over to Islamists that are now much more hostile to the United States,” the official said.’
Thank you Attercliffe, as you know I am a great fan of Brigitte Gabriel after meeting with her in 2006, she has been ringing the warning bell since being rescued by Israel from her underground hole in Lebanon, sadly once the "Paris" of the ME
May 23 at 18:06 EST .

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   Escaped commieny  I have said from the beginning, this isn't about politics or zero, it is a battle of good vs evil, 1400 yrs of islam trying to prevail. 800 yrs ago Christians were being captured by Moslems and sold into slavery by the thousands. They want to do it again. We need another St John of Matha, a Reagan,or a Thatcher.
May 23 at 20:35 EST .

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   Bettijo  Neil Cavuto just went on a tyrant about Obama's refusing to call Islamic terriorist what they are. Maybe his remarks will be posted on FOX web site. They were excellent.
May 24 at 16:37 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  Sad news indeed. Cap wrote to me in January, sparking a happy e-mail exchange. He introduced himself as follows:

Just a brief word of thanks for all you do at LDot, but most especially for introducing me to James Delingpole and Christopher Booker and Nigel Farage. I’m a long-term Anglophile, and am deeply in love with Churchill and Dame Thatcher. What She and RR and Lech Walesa and the Pope did!! WOW! And Vaclav Havel right behind!

I do not intend to “go quietly into that dark night.” I intend to slide in to home plate tattered and torn, waving a flag in one hand, and my weapon in the other, screaming FREEEEEEEEEDDDDDOMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

What a guy! I'm not good at condolences but I hope his family is reading this and knows how much we admired his spirit and determination.
March 30 at 08:32 EST .

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   Thelmalou  Attercliffe, thanks so much for sharing that. That is so Kevin! What a card! He will be sorely missed...I couldn't help it...I cried when I found out, even though I know he is with the Lord.
March 30 at 09:20 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  

And now for something completely different. Start your Tuesday with a few giggles. (usual warning about drinks within arm's length. )
June 28 at 05:30 EST .

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   Belwhatter  Attercliffe, did you look at the mess left behind at the noise fest at Glastonbury photos in yesterday's mail? - Woodstock lives on in, of all places, Glastonbury, thanks to some blockhead farmer who is willing for big money to let that sacred piece of Albion be totally trashed on a yearly basis. I feel badly for the neighbors and villagers - what an unwelcome invasion.
June 28 at 14:02 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Main Page The Lobby  Curiosity urged me to compare the prices at (which advertises on to those at, my favorite freeze-dried foods store in Utah. The first thing I checked was the can of 16 different heirloom vegetable seeds. Unless I'm missing something, you can see here:

that the SF price is $91.65.

And you can see that sells exactly the same product at

for $43.95.

I don't have time to look at any more prices, but please compare prices before you order from any emergency stash company, food or other product.

Also, you can check the reviews of a number of different survival foods at (and also at
June 6 at 10:18 EST .

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   Escaped commieny  I especially like BePrepared monthly specials and special buys. And they have so much more than just food. Everything for an emergency and peace of mine products.
Hikergal you will like the Trekker kits.
June 6 at 12:32 EST .

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   Hikergal  EC yes I do! I also like Harmony House and Cheaperthandirt there are great suppliers out there but as Attercliffe says research!
June 6 at 12:57 EST .

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   Escaped commieny  Oh Cheaperthandirt is a favorite in this family. Off topic, sort of, is Harbor Freight for tools and many other odd ball supplies, they opened a store near Orlando. Tarps and gloves, saws, next to nothing. My Motto "Never Pay Retail"
June 6 at 13:30 EST .

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   Escaped commieny  Wonder if that is where Ann Barnhart bought her 'pink one'
June 6 at 13:38 EST .

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   Hikergal  EC harbor freight is great! My husband loved them! great tools and supplies. their tools are no name but they have done wonders in this house for sure
June 6 at 13:48 EST .

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   Gerty  Thank you, ladies. I was under the impression the Harbor Freight was only catalog. Now I will look for a store.
June 6 at 16:09 EST .

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   Escaped commieny  We need to get this information on a preparedness wall, several have asked Luis to replace the Events wall with this type of information, maybe he is on vacation, Didn't they just have a baby? Will see what Ms Lucianne has to say. We need a consolidated place for this type of info
June 6 at 17:27 EST .

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   Hammock  Another thing to check - although hard to find out - is the expiration date. Some places have great prices on items that are a couple years old but you don't find that out till it arrives. Besides the Amazon and beprepared reviews mentioned by OP, sometimes you can find this information by running the item and online store through several search engines. You pick up remarks from various forums.
June 7 at 02:25 EST .

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   Attercliffe posted on Health & Diet  

I just posted an article on the "polypill," now being touted as the latest miracle (my word) for people at risk of heart attack and for those who can't remember to take their pills when they're supposed to (ever heard of a pill reminder box? Ack!). I'm reposting here so it's more easily found if someone needs to look at it later or refresh their memory. The pill might be a godsend to some people but not others. This is for the latter group. Btw, 10p is about 15 cents.

10p polypill 'halves heart
disease and stroke risk'
Telegraph [UK], by Stehen Adams

5/26/2011 4:06:00 AM

A new 10p-a-day ‘polypill’ containing aspirin and statins halves the risk of heart disease and stroke, according to the world’s first international trial of the drug. A research team found "sizeable reductions" in blood pressure and levels of 'bad' LDL cholesterol among those who took the polypill over 12 weeks, compared to those who took a placebo.[Snip]It contains 75mg aspirin, 20mg simvastatin, 10mg lisinopril and 12.5mg hydrochlorothiazide. Aspirin prevents blood getting too 'sticky', which can lead to clots that cause heart attacks; statins lower cholesterol; while the latter two drugs lower blood pressure.

A 12-week study. And the long-term side effects are? My body doesn't like simvastatin or lisinopril. I haven't taken hydrochlorothiazide, which is a diuretic. You can read about it and its side effects at:

For diabetics especially but not exclusively, read about statins (scroll down, it's in red type), please look at:


I've been reading that last site for a couple of years now. The woman who created it has done an immense amount of research on diabetes and drugs, for diabetics and nondiabetics, and gives a capsule description and link for each research study used to back up her conclusions. The particular link up there is for "Other Dangerous Drugs for People with Diabetes," and there you will find what she's discovered about statins. She also addresses ACE inhibitors, including lisinopril. It's all in reputable published studies; she's not selling anything.

The index to the Food & Drugs part of the site is

This is not the kind of site that offers magic cures. It's just good solid research set out in an orderly fashion and you can make up your own mind about how to tackle your diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol, and how the various medications (for nondiabetics too) might affect your body. Of course, you should always discuss any medication questions and/or changes with your doctor.
May 26 at 04:30 EST .

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